Thoughts on Part 4?

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It’s been a few years since Part 4 released, so I’m curious what people think about it! Personally, I’m not the biggest fan. I greatly enjoyed the art direction, music, and location, but wasn’t so big on the story. The serialized story was a little too weird for my tastes, and I wasn’t into the crazy stuff with Da Vinci. Not a big fan of Rebecca either, I felt like she was a bit boring. The one-off episodes were also a bit of a letdown, with most of them being pretty bland in my opinion.
Part 4 was my introduction to Lupin so I think it’s a good entry point for new fans, but after having seen a lot more Lupin media, it’s not very high on my list now
 

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I watched Part 4 right after Cagliostro as an introduction to the series. I do really like the art direction as well! I think it has some weak aspects, to me I think it makes Lupin a bit TOO cool/invincible. I like him to fumble and have to improvise more than be "always a step ahead" type.

However I liked it a lot overall. I liked Rebecca, I liked Nyx too! I really liked how crazy and out there the DaVinci clone was. I would very much prefer something wild and silly like that to stuff that's dull and grounded. I felt that some of what they did with Jigen and Goemon wasn't very good, such as having Jigen say they didn't have much to talk about other than work??? Which is a terrible way to characterize their close friendship imo. Goemon felt like he was always unhappy to be around them too.

I definitely think it tried for a balance of episodic and longer story and I think it was a decent way to do it! I don't think it's perfect but I really think a lot of Lupin media has ups and downs. Pros and cons. I try to enjoy the good aspects of all the bits I can :kar_jigen:
 
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So I agree with what you and Tsushi have both said

By this point I had only watched a couple of films and tv specials. Part 4 despite some of the issues I think are defo apparent you mentioned, this was when I fell in love with Lupin as a character.
I can't believe It came from the haunted house episode of all things though, I still saw him as a thief by this point (with maybe a touch of heroism) but the fact he didn't take any of the treasure at the end to respect the little kid hit me hard for some weird reason.

Honestly, other than that episode, I haven't really rewatched the rest of the series. I think my main issue at the time was how kind of meh some of the one-off episodes were.
I will say this though...

Don't watch the OVA and Italian game right afterwards.
 

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Very similar as well, I've watched I think 90% of the entire series at this point and I've just found Parts 4, 5, and 6 not my jam at all. Part 4 had some really neat parts and the art direction wasn't too boring (looking at you P6) but it did feel like a slog about halfway through for me. So glad I watched Part 3 first!
 
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I love Part 4! The colours, the animation, the character designs, Italy as a cultural backdrop, all of it is tailor-made for me. There are some great episodes in it, like the haunted hotel episode, or the Japan episode. Even the worst episode (for me, the love wine one) has some fun and memorable moments and is leagues ahead the worsts episodes in Part 5 or Part 6. There's some decent slapstick and situational comedy going on in Part 4, but it's also not afraid to tackle darker topics. And one of its greatest strengths is that the one-off episodes take place in the same continuity as the main plot, so you get little things like Rebecca showing up on TV even if she's not actually a character in the episode. That helps make the side characters and setting feel more alive.

It's not perfect by any means, and I agree with some of the criticism that the characters don't always feel like they're having fun together, but I honestly had a bigger problem with that in Part 5. The main plot isn't very good or interesting, but I like that it doesn't take up too much space and isn't even the most memorable chunk of the series.
 
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It's not perfect by any means, and I agree with some of the criticism that the characters don't always feel like they're having fun together, but I honestly had a bigger problem with that in Part 5.
I felt like at least their dysfunctional vibes in Part 5 felt like an intentional part of the story they were telling, like, in the "flashback" episodes in Part 5 they had more synergy, to contrast with the current situation where they're dealing with the aftermath of the failed marriage lol

I still have lots of criticism for Part 5, but I would say the relationship dynamics between the gang is one of the most interesting parts of it to me and they deliberately tried to make it about how the fallout of their disconnection as friends was resolved in the end. Whereas Part 4 it felt like they didn't really think about it and it just happened to be written that way.
 
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I felt like at least their dysfunctional vibes in Part 5 felt like an intentional part of the story
That's actually more or less why I don't vibe with Part 5 as a whole even though I adore some elements in it. I'm just fundamentally not interested in the story they wanted to tell with the characters, or how they chose to tell it by leaving it as this mysterious thing that happened in the past and that only got properly revealed in the last episode. I don't think I'll ever stop feeling bitter about Fujiko's role in Part 5. If the writers want to explore the gang dynamics falling apart, my go to example is the Mystery of Mamo where everything happens on screen and you get to see everyone's raw reactions to it.
 
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So I agree with what you and Tsushi have both said

By this point I had only watched a couple of films and tv specials. Part 4 despite some of the issues I think are defo apparent you mentioned, this was when I fell in love with Lupin as a character.
I can't believe It came from the haunted house episode of all things though, I still saw him as a thief by this point (with maybe a touch of heroism) but the fact he didn't take any of the treasure at the end to respect the little kid hit me hard for some weird reason.

Honestly, other than that episode, I haven't really rewatched the rest of the series. I think my main issue at the time was how kind of meh some of the one-off episodes were.
I will say this though...

Don't watch the OVA and Italian game right afterwards.
Italian Game was literally sooo painful! Really disappointing that they had the opportunity to do something really cool, and then just recycled old footage. The OP was so awesome too! Bit of a shame
 

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That's actually more or less why I don't vibe with Part 5 as a whole even though I adore some elements in it. I'm just fundamentally not interested in the story they wanted to tell with the characters, or how they chose to tell it by leaving it as this mysterious thing that happened in the past and that only got properly revealed in the last episode. I don't think I'll ever stop feeling bitter about Fujiko's role in Part 5. If the writers want to explore the gang dynamics falling apart, my go to example is the Mystery of Mamo where everything happens on screen and you get to see everyone's raw reactions to it.
I can totally understand and respect that. I felt like a lot of it was so subtle and I would have liked to see more of the actual confrontations. We only got to see that with Goemon and Lupin.

I think Fujiko at least had SOME moments talking about it but... The whole reason I started writing Adieu was basically because I felt like I wanted to make those subtle moments have more precedent and explanation that I only really landed on after reading a lot into it. I think the gang is better more dramatic and expressive so I can agree, I do prefer the Mamo's bigger blow ups :loop_laugh:
 
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