Spoilers Lupin Zero timeline placement?

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When the trailer for Zero came out I presumed that it took place before part 4, I consider a new timeline in Lupin if the art style has changed (part 6 should be in a different place by that logic too)
Part 4 is said to take place in his early 20s so it makes sense that zero would be the prequel however three major problems have come to mind, let us discuss.

1. Part 5 has a flashback with Albert where he hasn't claimed the title of Lupin III
2. Lupin dawns his classic green jacket in the final episode of Zero
3. part 5 OVA 'Is lupin still burning" is a time travel plot of lupin dawning his jacket colors from all parts

Part 5 really is the major problem of Zero being canon, you could at least argue with the jacket from green to blue because lupin just likes to change it up but then flashback makes it more complicated, that's not to mention old Albert WHO is a kid in Zero!

had Lupin worn his blue jacket during the final this would put my mind at ease but no...

any thoughts? is there even a lupin canon at this point?
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I think when it regards Lupin's timeline, there's so much conflicting information and the characters are so ageless, I don't think they're ever be a real canon timeline. These characters stopped ageing in the 70s lol.
But I actually did something dorky while watching Lupin ZERO, and I think I pinpointed the exact timeframe of Lupin ZERO because of it.
When I saw they were talking to a prime minister in the show, I had to check to see if they based his appearance off of a real prime minster, and it seems they did!
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He bares a striking resemblence to Tanzan Ishibashi, who was only in office for 65 days. Which can almost exactly pinpoint the series as being in early 1957
Meaning if we assume Lupin is 16 in ZERO, that means he was born in 1941, and would be 26 when the manga first starts running in 1967.
 
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I think when it regards Lupin's timeline, there's so much conflicting information and the characters are so ageless, I don't think they're ever be a real canon timeline. These characters stopped ageing in the 70s lol.
But I actually did something dorky while watching Lupin ZERO, and I think I pinpointed the exact timeframe of Lupin ZERO because of it.
When I saw they were talking to a prime minister in the show, I had to check to see if they based his appearance off of a real prime minster, and it seems they did!
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He bares a striking resemblence to Tanzan Ishibashi, who was only in office for 65 days. Which can almost exactly pinpoint the series as being in early 1957
Meaning if we assume Lupin is 16 in ZERO, that means he was born in 1941, and would be 26 when the manga first starts running in 1967.
Damn great digging, I honestly thought this took place in the early 60s at least.
 

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I think when it regards Lupin's timeline, there's so much conflicting information and the characters are so ageless, I don't think they're ever be a real canon timeline. These characters stopped ageing in the 70s lol.
But I actually did something dorky while watching Lupin ZERO, and I think I pinpointed the exact timeframe of Lupin ZERO because of it.
When I saw they were talking to a prime minister in the show, I had to check to see if they based his appearance off of a real prime minster, and it seems they did!
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He bares a striking resemblence to Tanzan Ishibashi, who was only in office for 65 days. Which can almost exactly pinpoint the series as being in early 1957
Meaning if we assume Lupin is 16 in ZERO, that means he was born in 1941, and would be 26 when the manga first starts running in 1967.
Lupin is confirmed to be 13 in the Lupin ZERO website.
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I really don't think this show has any events that are more or less "canon" than others -- I tend to handle it as if everything's canon and nothing's canon -- but that's a really impressive catch on the Prime Minister identification!
 
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I don't even try to connect different parts of the franchise chronologically, with some exceptions. Like, it's easy for me to imagine Parts 4, 5 and 6 happening after each other. I don't see an airtight connection between Part 5 and Zero despite Albert's appearance because the former is so clearly modern day and the latter late 50s/60s. The characters would have to be elderly in Part 5. Or immortals who stopped aging at some point, but that's my least favourite theory that I've seen in the fandom.

I just really like the freedom that there is no clear timeline and the characters can have multiple conflicting backstories and be the same age in the 1980s or 2010s. I think it helps keep the franchise alive and fresh because one creative team can do their own thing, and when they're done another can do theirs without having to carry all the weight of what was done before them. My big wish is that one day we get Lupin in steampunk Wild West!

Edit: though I should add, I've seen some really impressive timelines by multiple people where they've taken lots of things into account that I've never even considered
 
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I don't even try to connect different parts of the franchise chronologically, with some exceptions. Like, it's easy for me to imagine Parts 4, 5 and 6 happening after each other. I don't see an airtight connection between Part 5 and Zero despite Albert's appearance because the former is so clearly modern day and the latter late 50s/60s. The characters would have to be elderly in Part 5. Or immortals who stopped aging at some point, but that's my least favourite theory that I've seen in the fandom.

I just really like the freedom that there is no clear timeline and the characters can have multiple conflicting backstories and be the same age in the 1980s or 2010s. I think it helps keep the franchise alive and fresh because one creative team can do their own thing, and when they're done another can do theirs without having to carry all the weight of what was done before them. My big wish is that one day we get Lupin in steampunk Wild West!

Edit: though I should add, I've seen some really impressive timelines by multiple people where they've taken lots of things into account that I've never even considered
Adding on to that Wild West idea, I would love to see a cyberpunk setting.

I think Jigen would look badass with a metal arm or something lol
 
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What I think makes Lupin Zero interesting in terms of the supposed timeline is that Lupin III functions in a similar way to The Simpsons and Marvel and Dc Comics, where they have what's called Floating timeline (Wikipedia Article). An example of this, when Iron Man started out in the 60s, his backstory was that he was injured in the Vietnam War. Later, as time passed, that became first Gulf War and so on.
What makes this interesting in the case of Lupin Zero, is the fact that I don't think there's many cases in the Floating Timeline stories where authors go BACK in time to tell a character's backstory.
I can think of instances where some comic stories that take place in the past, but since both Marvel and DC have established that Multiverses exists, they can just say that this particular period piece story takes place on a different Earth (Example, the Superman story, Red Son). Lupin III in this case is more like Scooby Doo in this regard, where established characters have there specific roles. But again, I don't think there's any one Scooby Doo series that directly links to another (I could be wrong, not an Scooby Doo expert lol). And again, I don't think they have ever made a Scooby Doo show or special that takes place in 1969.
So because of the Blue Jacket series and Part 6, Lupin III in a weird is both specific and not specific when it comes to the timeline.

As for my theory on the timeline, I think just cause Albert shows up in Zero doesn't mean that Part 5 and Part 6 follows after Zero. Part 6 mentions Tomoe after all and Lupin's supposed childhood, but Zero doesn't mention Lupin having a mom from what I can remember. So the best explanation (besides Lupin not having any canon and none of this mattering) to all of this would be that there is at least two different continuities in Lupin III.
One that takes place in modern times (with Part 4, Part 5, and Part 6) and another that starts in the 60s (with Lupin Zero) then follows to Lupin Part 1 and part 2 and the timeline ending with Castle off Cagliostro (as it is Lupin is in his "Twilight Years" according to Miyazaki. ). I don't know if TWCFM and the Koike movies would fit into the 60s timeline since I haven't seen them, but I have heard that TWCFM is seen as a prequel to Part 1 and that it is a period piece, So take with that what you will. This is all just fun to think about!
 
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IMO Zero doesn't fit into any already established canon(Parts 1-6), mainly because of the different interpretations of The First and The Second, as well as the time period it's set in(The 1960s)
 

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Adding on to that Wild West idea, I would love to see a cyberpunk setting.

I think Jigen would look badass with a metal arm or something lol
This reminds me of the robot Jigen and Mecha Fiat concept arts :kar_fiat: and yeah I agree entirely with VampireNaomi on this, I think even just within the episodes of Part 2, Zentetsuken has more than one lore/backstory. I liked Part 4’s Goemon origin story about being an assassin but stuff like that is more fun to me if it doesn’t all have to be taken as a single canon. I like how flexible it is!

I think the best thing for Lupin is being able to have many ideas of time periods, origin stories, and futures. It gives us a lot more to explore, and certainly is why I’ e been drawn to writing fanfiction for the show!
 
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